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[Taranis]

J'y suis aussi allé de ma poche sur le formunaire de contact de ER :

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Dear sir or madam,

I noticed you use my copyrighted material on your site, offering it to anyone and leting them believe they can be the owners of my work, as you do.
This copyrighted material is located on the site taranisprod.net and on the revemonde server (taranis.revemonde.net).
For the moment I had to put my work offline, and try the "solutions" you generously offered a posteriori ( robots.txt, ban http referer ).
This is not a solution as long as you did a big mistake first, ignoring laws about copyrighted material.
I hereby ask you to erase all links to my work, and make it not reachable from your site.
I let you a week from now (26th of september 2008) to do so.


Copie à globalstructure:

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Request to ER - copy to host manager

Dear sir or madam,

Here's a copy of the message I sent this morning to ER.com contact page.
They use copyrighted material on their site you host.

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Dear sir or madam,

I noticed you use my copyrighted material on your site, offering it to anyone and leting them believe they can be the owners of my work, as you do.
This copyrighted material is located on the site taranisprod.net and on the revemonde server (taranis.revemonde.net).
For the moment I had to put my work offline, and try the "solutions" you generously offered a posteriori ( robots.txt, ban http referer ).
This is not a solution as long as you did a big mistake first, ignoring laws about copyrighted material.
I hereby ask you to erase all links to my work, and make it not reachable from your site.
I let you a week from now (26th of september 2008) to do so.
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Taranis Prod , prestation de services en infographie pour le patrimoine et l'archéologie.
http://www.taranisprod.net/

[Sarah]

[ HS ]
Dois-je vous dire combien je suis satisfaite de toutes ces initiatives persos qui partagées forment un collectif d'intervention qui se montre déjà efficace ?
On a des procédures pour le retrait, des parades pour empêcher de nouveaux pillages ...

C'est ça, le travail d'équipe : chacun bosse pour tout le monde et merde aux profiteurs et aux pique-assiettes !

Merci les gars !
[ /HS ]

[Matthieu]

Marco:

As in the case of Jokina, no builder will object to a presentation of one or a few pics of his own world. (no popblem for me).
On the contrary, ER is "bookmarking" all the url's of the 3D vrml/xml worlds, and allows to open them within ER itself. That's why I SAY NO !!
Evoluta is not public domain, I am not sure to be free of using its builder technology for Starenda (even if I am one of the three builders).

If ER intends to show a simple list of worlds like Jokina's list, with pictures and links to our worlds, long life to ER.
If ER intends to use our worlds without any notice of the builder, without a notice of the genuine technology,
without a notice about its originality : No. Drop dead, ER !!

I hope I made it plain !!

kisses to everybody
Marco your Teddy bear

[marco]

merci mathieux for la traduction, mais c est pas la peine de faire les fautes, la ou je les ai faites lol merci mathieux

j espere que thyme comprendra ce que je veux dire, et au faites les images, n ont elles pas ete volées sur le site de jokina ? faut regarder ca de plus pret ca serai encore pire !!
@+
Bisous

[thyme]

I am not an expert on the law but having given the raised issues thought over the last few days it makes sense to me that:

The internet is not a closed off system by default.
If your content is uploaded to the internet it is accessible to all unless you make it so that others can not access it.
Giving access to your content does not alter copyright issues regardless of what browser browses it.

We can not blame search engines for getting more efficient.

[Sarah]

Hello Thyme

A simple example: regardless of the search engine that would have helped find the wrl of Techuelife island and regardless of the browser I use, I do not have the right to use your work on my site.
And I can not propose to others to use on their websites your work or part of (objects, textures, ...).

Similarly, I can not make a change in your world or propose to the other to change it.
I can not even change the context of the world (for example, a frame explanations and lateral links, or the page title).
I can not even embed your work in an interface of mine and publish it on my website : it's prohibited.

Your work must remain exactly where and how you decided.
Putting your work in a publicly available website give to the visitors the right to see it as is, no more.

All this until you - the author - explicitly authorize something else.
The name for this restrictions about works is "Copyright".

In short, anywhere in the world : the author is the exclusive master of his content.

[thyme]

You seem to be suggesting that I am saying that when you allow someone to brows your content you loose copyright of your content.
I stated the opposite.
Do you think Google's image search engine should be stopped?

[Sarah]

You seem to be suggesting that I am saying that when you allow someone to brows your content you loose copyright of your content.
I stated the opposite.
Do you think Google's image search engine should be stopped?

Google does not offer use on your site indexed content. Your question is totally off-topic.
Here it is not about Google ... and you DO know it.
Let's talk seriously without trying to escape.

If your content is uploaded to the internet it is accessible to all unless you make it so that others can not access it.

Ok, let's assume you're right.
Just for a while.
So I may put your Techuelife wrl directly in this forum, ok ?
It's very simple to do.

See this example :

» Fichier VRML


Easy, isn't it ?
After 30 seconds it fades to black but it's my wish for this demo.
Reload for more fun [ EDIT : effect disabled ]

If I want, I change the URL for yours, ok ?
(http://www.seamless3d.com/wrl/techuelif ... island.wrl)
If I don't, it's because I respect your work and your rights.

Now, following your total lack of rules, I may embed your world in a frame with linked advertisment to make me rich.

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"Win 10000 $"
"Buy pills"
"Super Casino"
Meet people for sex
"XXX Gang Bang"
"Disappointed with your sexual health?"
"Online Pharmacy"
"Enlarge your penis"
"poker forums!"
"Great opportunity to give her a real pleasure"
"Bring back time when girls were yours"
"3+ Inches"
"Size does matter !"
"free games ! Win real money"
Buy guns !

And so on ... read your spambox for worth.

With your principle (which sounds like an absence of principle), I may put the advertisment on 3D panels directly in your world.
I may install porno avatars in Techuelife, too.

Would you be happy ?

So your world will promote business and activities you don't like.
You'll never control all the locations all the time.
Browsing the Web in 3D Is not a revolution, it's a stupid idea if it leads to such consequences.
No other word but "Irresponsible" perhaps ?
For sure : the author has no notice

And you're definitively a dreamer and I like you for that but please wake up

The Web is not an universe for kind people, Thyme, it's a trash full of rats.
(I think those capable of putting advertising as above).
Please avoid to give them quality meat.
Control the use of your content and enforce your legitimate rights, preserve the Web.

As you see, I am also a dreamer

But it is not just a dream.
We now have a battery of technical tips to prohibit the use of our wrl without our agreement and we will disseminate them widely.
It's self-defense, the law will more.

Why have they not asked before ?
Whyyyyyyyyyyy ?
Now we are angry

Your Techuelife island is welcome on Outside, Thyme.
Just change two lines in your bxx and it's done.
Obviously, it will be in the list of "always open" worlds

[Arsène]

Tiens, thyme, tu n'as qu'à lire ceci Google convicted in case brought by Belgian press, pour ta gouverne.

[Matthieu]

Thyme is a pretty good guy, very clever, and what's more, he's so honest himself that he can hardly see evil around him.
Please, don't shout so loud, he deserves his right to dream, and we all are so happy to be able to dream with him and with his beautiful seamless work.
We are his friends, all arout that blue planet, aren't we ?
I love Techuelife.

[Sarah]

Thyme is a pretty good guy, very clever, and what's more, he's so honest himself that he can hardly see evil around him.
Please, don't shout so loud, he deserves his right to dream, and we all are so happy to be able to dream with him and with his beautiful seamless work.
We are his friends, all arout that blue planet, aren't we ?
I love Techuelife.

Ne te fais pas de souci au sujet de l'amitié, Matthieu, ça résiste aux coups de gueule ou alors ce n'en est pas.

J'ai seulement exprimé de manière forte et imagée le potentiel de nuisance du système concerné.

La voix douce, ça va dix minutes mais là, c'est une agression contre mon travail : je tape.

Et si tu as lu mon billet berszerk ER : carton jaune ! , tu as pu constater que je suis extrêmement modérée dans ma réaction : mon conseil est défensif.
Personne ne veut la mort du pécheur.

Mais c'est l'occasion de faire un exemple.
Ce n'est pas ma faute si certains se réfugient derrière les turpitudes d'intouchables pour justifier les leurs.
Au prétoire, ce genre d'attitude fait sourire.
Et intouchables faut voir : ça bouge, GG recule sut bien des fronts. Parce que des gens agissent au lieu de s'écraser.

Il y avait un souci : l'utilisation de nos mondes sans notre consentement.
Il fallait trouver une parade : c'est fait.
Grâce à ceux qui ont trouvé cette parade, chacun a récupéré le droit de choisir.

Moi, j'espère en avoir terminé avec ce sujet.

[Sarah]

@ Matthieu

Moi, j'espère en avoir terminé avec ce sujet.

Quoique j'aurais encore beaucoup à dire, notamment au sujet de la légalité d'embedder un wrl dans une interface différente de celle choisie par l'auteur.

Prends cette citation du site présidentiel, page Mentions légales :

Le site de la Présidence de la République autorise la mise en place de liens hypertexte pointant vers ses pages, sous réserve de :

ne pas utiliser la technique du lien profond, c'est-à-dire que les pages du site www.elysee.fr ne doivent pas être imbriquées à l'intérieur des pages d'un autre site, mais visibles par l'ouverture d'une fenêtre indépendante.
(...)

Est-ce assez clair ?
Faut un dessin ?
Tu traduis et tu expliques ça à qui tu veux, moi je renonce.

[Taranis]

Et même si on se fait embarquer sur le terrain "moteur de recherche", Jordi explique assez bien la différence :

The search engine is not a search engine as we know it.
All these technologies of independent 3d worlds are not communities. ER is for having your 3d mini-space.

The search engine is a catalog, not a real search engine.
Users can take pieces of that catalog and add them to their spaces, and can alter any 3d world with them. Then, that modified world is stored as "My stuff".
If translated to Google, it may be as if Google opened the images directly on Photoshop to edit and use them.

Other companies build their own catalogs or reward creators to add their works to them. Example of good behavior companies: Vivaty, 3DXplorer.

Provenance de cette citation de Jordi .

[Matthieu]

Sarah:

Ne te fais pas de souci au sujet de l'amitié, Matthieu, ça résiste aux coups de gueule ou alors ce n'en est pas.
J'ai seulement exprimé de manière forte et imagée le potentiel de nuisance du système concerné.
La voix douce, ça va dix minutes mais là, c'est une agression contre mon travail : je tape.
Et si tu as lu mon billet berszerk ER : carton jaune ! , tu as pu constater que je suis extrêmement modérée dans ma réaction : mon conseil est défensif.
Personne ne veut la mort du pécheur.
Mais c'est l'occasion de faire un exemple.
Ce n'est pas ma faute si certains se réfugient derrière les turpitudes d'intouchables pour justifier les leurs.
Au prétoire, ce genre d'attitude fait sourire.

Ca fait toujours plaisir d'être pris pour un crétin (et engage opportunément une réflexion "est-ce que, en effet, peut-être ... etc etc" ) non, je plaisante, là.
Evidemment j'ai lu "carton jaune".
"l'occasion de faire un exemple" oui, bien entendu.
"si certains se réfugient derrière les turpitudes [...] Au prétoire, ce genre d'attitude fait sourire" Non, pas tellement, mais plutôt fâcher. Un adage du droit français: "nul ne peut se prévaloir de l'iniquité des autres" et c'est bien vu.
D'accord, d'accord pour tout, mais ça n'était pas ce que je voulais dire : pour le lecteur moyen que je suis, le ton adopté envers notre ami Thyme était vraiment démesuré. Si d'instinct je me suis mis de son côté, ça n'est pas sur le fond. C'est sur la forme. D'accord?
Garçon ! Champagne pour tout le monde, c'est ma (virtuelle) tournée

[Arsène]

D'accord, d'accord pour tout, mais ça n'était pas ce que je voulais dire : pour le lecteur moyen que je suis, le ton adopté envers notre ami Thyme était vraiment démesuré. Si d'instinct je me suis mis de son côté, ça n'est pas sur le fond. C'est sur la forme. D'accord?

Où ça, pour ne pas rester dans le domaine des sous entendus oiseux ?