ER Blaxxun Competitor

[thyme]

http://www.seamless3d.com/forum/viewtop ... 2326#p2326



http://www.seamless3d.com/forum/viewtop ... 2326#p2326

[Sarah]

Ahem ...

More informations here, Thyme :
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1664

And it seems that ER has not the same vision of the copyright than common people nor the law

No deep linking, right ?
Ask before use, right ?

It's exactly the same for an image and for a VRML-world :
All rights reserved by default

[thyme]

Hi Sarah

I can see how some interesting issues are raised about 3D browsers and 3D search engines and how they differ or don't differ from 2D browsers and 2D search engines.

Ask before use, right ?

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=e ... ages&gbv=2

Google's image search engine does not ask?

Is this different?

[Arsène]

Is this different?

Oh, yes, totally opposite.

Where are the links to the pages of the worlds ? Only links to pages of ERror.

Not speaking about the incitement to pillage of so called "abandonned worlds". With ERror it's only in one direction : from anonymous authors to ERror.

So, I totally disagree.

---- french ----

Oh, oui, c'est totalement opposé.

Où sont les liens vers les pages des mondes ? Uniquement des liens vers des pages de ERreur.

Sans parler de l'incitation au pillage des soi-disant "mondes abandonnés". Avec ERreur c'est uniquement dans une direction : des auteurs anonymes vers ERreur.

Alors, je désapprouve totalement.

[Sarah]

Sorry, Thyme, Google doesn't propose to use on your site what it shows.
I think you can understand the difference.

Any usage of a copyrighted document needs a prior authorization.
No deep link, too : remember Netiquette, ok ?

Are you involved in this sad enterprise ?
It will be a very short adventure if they make no serious proposals.

[thyme]

It's exactly the same for an image and for a VRML-world :
All rights reserved by default

[Arsène]

So, don't use my worlds without my authorisation.

[Arsène]

Tu connais les sentiments des auteurs à propos des voleurs de 3D, pourtant.

Tu crois vraiment qu'on va se laisser faire plus que d'habitude ?

[Sarah]

And what about the true reality ?
Someone who takes a world on his site via ER believing that it is free of rights could be attacked by the author.
We have seen such cases with photostocks.
The final consumer takes risk.

[Arsène]

Do you really compare 100x100 images with full size worlds ? ))

[thyme]

Are you involved in this sad enterprise ?

In what way do you mean involved?
A number of times I have been suspected of being part of blaxxun and have stated I am not a number of times.
I am not part of ER either
I support many 3d platforms including ER.
I believe in communication, asking questions, fairness, reason and cooperation.
Have you contacted ER and expressed your concerns? It is not in their interest to upset world builders

[thyme]

Do you really compare 100x100 images with full size worlds ? ))

Are you asking me Arsène?

I have not expressed an opinion on likening images to vrml worlds.

[Arsène]

Do they have asked to us to use our worlds out of context ?

So, you have your answer.

Yes, I'm asking to you, thyme : because you are comparing great worlds with thumbnails.

If ER wants to use thumbnails of my worlds, it's not a problem. But not my worlds, only thumbnails !!!

And what about the bandwidth ? Who pays for the bandwidth out of any credits ?

[thyme]

It's exactly the same for an image and for a VRML-world :
All rights reserved by default

Blaxxun did not consult me, they just added techuelife Island to the blaxxun home community. I was very pleased they did this but I can see some would be annoyed and would not be able to use Blaxxun software knowing they did this.

[Sarah]

(...)
Have you contacted ER and expressed your concerns ?

Why me and not they ?
My lawyer will do if they don't understand by themselves
Tidus has contacted ER and the response is "Ask".
I cannot visit theur site each day to control that no one has add a world of mine in the BDD

(...)
It is not in their interest to upset world builders.

Right. But if they imagine they are Google and may do all they want, they're wrong.